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  1. Chris
    Chris
    August 15, 2010 at 12:01 pm | | Reply


    “or you’re gay from birth — whichever side of the argu­ment you want to be on but I don’t really have enough knowl­edge on what that argu­ment is about”
    Why not try to find out in a reliable source prior to writing?

    “I don’t actu­ally recall a high pro­file player that has came out as gay.”
    Justin Fashanu – easy with Google :)

    1. Rob McCluskey
      August 15, 2010 at 12:07 pm | | Reply


      Well to be honest I do this in my spare time, I don’t really want to commit to a ton of research about gay choice/birth arguement for the sake of one sentence, I just know it exists.

      And I wasn’t aware of Justin Fashanu but thanks for that one, I was only born in 1989 so I’ve never really heard of him! But it’s weird how he is the only one and it didn’t open up the door for others, instead it just leads to all this speculation and rumours as I mentioned.

  2. Rob Wood
    Rob Wood
    August 15, 2010 at 3:28 pm | | Reply


    Justin Fashenu committed suicide – check out the details on Wikipdeia. He was the only out gay footballer of the time – and his is a sad story. It might be “easy with Google” – less easy in real life.

  3. Chris
    Chris
    August 15, 2010 at 6:05 pm | | Reply


    Football will have to wait for its own Gareth Thomas or Donal Óg Cusack. The Guardian reported in May that PR guy Max Clifford “advised at least two Premier League footballers not to come out” because of persistent homophobia in football.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/17/coming-out-gay-public-figures

    Fashenu is discussed in the article as well, as a cautionary tale.

    1. Rob McCluskey
      August 15, 2010 at 6:52 pm | | Reply


      I just wonder how fans will react to it, there will definetley be some that will no doubt hurl abuse, but will there be the mob effect that could really do even more damage to the game? It seems it is a bit of an invisible issue in football, you never hear it talked about in the mainstream.

      I also wonder if other players know of gay footballers and how they react to it.

  4. Dave C
    Dave C
    August 16, 2010 at 4:05 pm | | Reply


    Interesting subject – you should maybe put it on EPL Talk to bring it to a wider readership. Although I recommend you tidy up the article a bit, cos it feels a little waffley and unfocused in parts.

    It would be interesting what would happen if a player officially came out. I have a feeling that all of the mockery from the crowd would fade down pretty quickly – after all, if a guy is openly gay, calling him “gay” isn’t really much of an insult, and any variation thereon will have been heard a million times before.

    I think the bigger problem might be whether managers perceive that having a gay player in the team might affect team chemistry. But I doubt it, since managers have no qualms about picking pretty much anyone as long as they can do a job on the field.

    1. Rob McCluskey
      August 16, 2010 at 6:09 pm | | Reply


      it isn’t an insult but that would be the intention.

      I just think its hard to know how fans would react as it isn’t too socially unacceptable to use gay slurs in every day language. I’m not saying that I think it’s ok to use them, just that they are used all the time and it doesn’t seem to have as much malice in it for people as the use of say a racial slur in our culture. Like the example I gave, people freely shout gay chants at Brighton fans.

      1. Dave C
        Dave C
        August 17, 2010 at 1:39 pm | | Reply


        I know it would be intended as an insult, but once they realize that it’s not really bothering the player, I think it would die down. I imagine that once a player has officially and publicly “come out”, the dialogue between that player and abusive fans might go something like this:

        Abusive fans: “Hey [openly gay player X], you’re totally gay”.
        Openly gay player X: “err…yes I am, everyone knows that already, and I’m completely comfortable with it.”
        Abusive fans: “Oh….errr….ok”. (and then they’d move on to abusing someone else for being fat or slow or not very good).

        Obviously the abusive fans might use less socially acceptable terms than just “gay”, but I really don’t think this would be particularly widespread in English culture, just as you never really hear the N-word or monkey noises directed at black players any more.

        1. Rob McCluskey
          Rob McCluskey
          August 17, 2010 at 4:42 pm | | Reply


          Well racism still exists in the stands, like I mentioned with the Chris Kamara thing, but it’s like to use racial slurs in our culture is unacceptable, you’re not supposed to say it and if you do it’s often looked down upon, but if you use terms like ‘fag’ or ‘gay’ (say just as an insult), the majority of people don’t see that as bad.

          I’d like to think it wouldn’t be a big deal in football, but you just can’t tell really, like the Brighton thing – the majority of the crowd will happily shout “gay! gay! gay” at them, make gay related chants or bend their wrist at them, but could they signal out a player for abuse because of their sexuality.

  5. Joey
    Joey
    August 23, 2010 at 9:22 pm | | Reply


    A good read, this article: I appreciate the continuous thread of “why all the fuss” paired with “I get it, but its sort of sad”. For me, I live within a pop-culture fascinated community and to some extent it puts the meat and bread on the table (I am an actor). So, I have that prurient curiosity that occasionally has me twitching at the neighbors curtains. That said, once the personal lifestyle of a sports player dominates the public eye I hold stead-fast to their stats.
    I love football for the game AND for the players. If a player happens to be gay I have to admit I may want to see a picture of him and his boyfriend, but I could care less who he is loving/shagging as long as the football continues to pulse with the heartbeat of the world.

    1. Rob McCluskey
      August 25, 2010 at 6:02 am | | Reply


      Hi Joey, thanks for your comments.

      It is interesting that you mentioned your profession making you interested in this sort of thing, i wonder though that football and acting being such a different mould of person (bar Vinny Jones haha) if footballers themselves could accept it as much considering they’re all generally the alpha male type.

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